Thursday, 5 July 2012
HYSTERICAL SHOOTING FRATERNITY ARE WAY OFF TARGET
THE hysterical response from the shooting fraternity following my recent blog calling for private ownership of guns to be banned was par for the course.
It is absolutely typical of people who think they have a right to gun down an innocent animal that they would be outraged at the suggestion that somebody might take their weapons away.
But no amount of incredulity from the bombastic participants in blood sports will change my view that their activities are immoral and their gun ownership is unnecessary.
Let’s strip this issue back to the bare bones.
Why might you want a gun? To me there are three possible reasons: (1) you may be a member of a rifle club, practising shooting at targets; (2) you enjoy killing animals and have convinced yourself that this is acceptable; or (3) you are criminal who wants to use a gun to kill, injure or frighten.
It is presumably a given that society would not wish to allow guns for the third category, so we need not explore that any further.
I have some sympathy for the people in the first category. I have no particular issue with their chosen pastime and I am not against them. But nor do I see any justification for them privately owning a gun and storing it in their own home to do it.
But it is the people in the second category who seem to have prompted the hysteria following my previous posting. They are the ones who believe it is their right to own a gun.
Why? If it’s not become obvious already I’ll state here and now that I personally find their pastime sickening. But even if you do not, even if you are in the camp that has been convinced that blood sports are acceptable, why do they need to privately own a gun and store it in their own home to do participate in their blood sport?
The answer is, of course, that they don’t. And if we are to make our society a safer place, then we should minimise any possibilities of allowing guns to fall into the wrong hands.
The problem is that our laws, at the moment, say it is okay to go out into a field and shoot a bird from the sky. And as long as society says that’s okay then the people who do it presume it’s also acceptable to own their gun and store it in their own home. They liken it to a golfer owning clubs or a tennis player owning a racket.
In reality, there is no similarity. Golf clubs and tennis rackets are designed for sport. Guns are designed to kill. The clue to the rights and wrongs is in the definition of blood sports, or as the blood sports euphemistically call them – “field sports”.
So what we really need is a step-change in society’s perception of what is and is not acceptable in terms of gun usage. Referring back to the three categories I mentioned earlier, only the first is neither illegal nor immoral.
And as long as shooting at animals is lawful, we need at the very least to protect children and young people from the horror of it as best we can.
That’s why I’ve been pleased to sign up to a campaign by Animal Aid calling for shooting magazines to become ‘top shelf’ publications.
If I had my way they’d be banned altogether along with the activities they promote, celebrate and glorify. But we certainly need to restrict unsupervised access to these magazines given the potentially distressing and damaging images they are likely to contain.
I dearly hope that Animal Aid will be successful in its campaign. If they are, society will have moved a step closer to recognising that killing animals for sport is nothing short of deplorable.
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Chris with the greatest respect but you support the Hunting Act which now very clearly states that wild mammals can only be flushed if they are then shot dead. Your organisation LACS has come out and supported the shooting of wildlife as 'humane pest control'. How on earth are people meant to kill animals if they cannot have guns?
ReplyDeleteTaking just one example - wild deer. It's well known that the wild deer population is mushrooming and that when numbers become too high it harms bio diversity - and indeed the deer itself. The end point of an uncontrolled wild deer population can be seen from the situation in Chris's Baronsdown sanctuary where numbers became so high that they started to die in large numbers having eaten all available food. This led to massive suffering to the deer and considerable ecological damage as they destroyed all of the undergrowth. The consequence of this is a diminishing population of woodland birds. If guns were banned altogether it would no longer be possible to manage deer across the entire country and the appalling situation that arose at LACS would take hold everywhere. This would be horrendously cruel.
ReplyDeleteI'd also be very interested to know where your organisation LACS keeps the guns it uses to shoot deer and moreover which of the three categories they fall into for wanting to have and use guns.
ReplyDeleteUtter utter fool, this from an MP whose party thought it ok to invade another sovreign country causing the deaths of countless thousands of innocents and the killing and maiming of our own troops and public attacked whilst on public transport by suicide bombers. where was your humanity then?
ReplyDeleteOne final point - Chris is denying on twitter that he wants shooting magazines banned - yet he writes "If I had my way they’d be banned altogether".
ReplyDeleteOne way or another - he's lying.
So Chris you've championed animal cruelty , convinced your readers your not able to demonstrate critical thinking and you still have the barefaced cheek to put yourself forward as a representative. Do the decent thing , withdraw from public life.
ReplyDeleteSBW
PS Blood sports, meat eating and target shooting
This is one of two concrete bunkers at Chris's 'sanctuary'. They had to fill them up with deer carcasses because they were dieing too fast to be disposed of. http://www.skyshot.co.uk/client/gap_bwm/images/bar05.jpg If any farmer had livestock that died in such numbers on his land he'd be in Jail and yet Chris and his colleagues get off scott free! Moreover this is what his philosophy would lead to on a wide scale.
DeleteYet more utter stupidity from the moronic face of politics. It is a wonder you can remember to breathe.
ReplyDeleteYour invective dosen't even warrant a rely.
The people of Derby who elected you must be very proud of their wasted vote
You are clearly ignorant to the way of life outside of your city centre constituency. If you had your way and outlawed shooting and "field sports" you would leave a gaping hole of about £2 billion within an economy already ravaged by your Party's irresponsible spending. How do you propose to fill that hole? Also you say "you enjoy killing animals, and convince yourself that this is acceptable". That is possibly the most short sighted, pig ignorant view I've ever seen from an elected public figure. Do you think chicken farmers, independent veg growers, and grounds keepers in grave yards have any choice other than to protect their livelihoods by whatever means possible?
ReplyDeleteYou're clearly a pompous idiot that is lacking the necessary knowledge or insight to be able to comment on an issue like this.
Loaded with such propaganda, so detached from truth, far removed from sense, this entry must be a strange form of satirical comedy. A joke.
ReplyDeleteI don't understand your humour, but I'll laugh at you anyway. Your gross twisting and bending of the subject so it is not only out of context, but seemingly the ramblings of an asylum patient.
I strongly advise you desist on this line of obvious antagonism. It is one thing to state your opinion, quite another to incite emotions. Your party have ensured others in the past have been stripped of their liberty for less.
You are no representative of mine. You, in my eyes, embarass yourself and the entire country.
If you like to generically categorize people because of their interests or professions, does that put you in the Lying, misinformed, self opinionated band of Corrupt Vultures that are systematically destroying this country?
ReplyDeleteWhat a load of misguided rubbish. A GUN is not only a weapon when used in combat etc., but is also a piece of artistic engineering. When used in competition not everybody can pick up any gun and shoot well with it, they are individual items!
But then I almost forgot that you like to generically categorize things don't you?
This is cruelty. What Chris's organisation effectively does is intensively farm wild deer. However the suffering of the animals in their deer gulag is far worse than any intensive farm in the UK. If these were horses or cattle then these people would be jailed for gross animal cruelty.
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There is NOTHING wrong with shooting. Shooting may be done for sport, but most of the animals are then eaten, either after being taken home or sold to a game dealer. As long as the animals are eaten, there is no problem. Shooting is also done for pest control.
ReplyDeleteAre you a vegetarian? Unless you are, you cannot argue against shooting.
Guns are tools used for a purpose. They are just as essential as cars to many people.
Mr Williamson is absolutely right, there's no reason that many people HAVE to have a gun in their home. But there are people who have guns in their homes who don't kill for the sake of enjoyment or sport, but who do it because it is a necessity. Where I come from there is a lot of forestry and a lot of upland sheep farms. Foxes kill lambs in that type of environment; they also eat the milky udders from ewes as they're giving birth and vulnerable. The forestry gives them ample territory and cover. You can snare foxes in those environments, but shooting is also a viable way to control numbers in order for sheep farmers to survive. Crows in that part of the country can also effect sheep; they like to peck young the eyes out of young lambs when they're still wobbly and weak. Sometimes a local gamekeeper can help; sometimes a local pest controller; sometimes the farmer needs to do it themselves. Snaring can be a prolonged method. Having to arrange access to a gun when you need it NOW to get that fox NOW and not in a couple of days would be pointless.
ReplyDeleteMr Williamson makes rational arguments; I'd be very interested to read his responses to some rational queries.
1. It’s challenging to get landowners (especially in areas where several people own small amounts of land) to agree on deer management strategies. Populations in some areas don't seem to be being managed effectively. There are dead deer on roads pretty frequently. It's often the local stalker or gamekeeper who the police call to destroy deer. Who would take over that role to ensure deer are destroyed as quickly as possible without private ownership?
2. The countryside across the UK is a benefit for the vast majority of the population who don't own it. Lots of local authorities health and wellness agendas look to rural environments and country parks. A lot of our countryside is managed for specific reasons and therefore looks the way it does because of economic factors. E.g. much of our mixed woodland was planted and is maintained for pheasants; moors are managed for grouse. Mr Williamson feels children and young people should be protected from this, so imagine it's unlawful. With no income or leisure activities to be had, I'm not sure a landowner would continue to invest their money. How does Mr Williamson propose to encourage landowners to continue to spend thousands of pounds on managing and maintaining their land? Will the taxpayer foot the bill via grants and subsidies?
3. Mr Williamson wants to minimise the possibilities of guns (from homes) falling into the wrong hands. A similar debate would be mothers in inner-cities can't have kitchen knives because young people are carrying pocket knives and committing crimes. Where is Mr Williamson’s evidence that Mr Bloggs in AnyShire having a shotgun increases the likelihood of Mr Blaggs in AnyTown shooting someone in an all-night garage for the takings?