Tuesday, 16 July 2013

FIREARMS LEGISLATION IS INADEQUATE


DUNBLANE is now associated with the very best of British sport following Andy Murray’s spectacular success in winning Wimbledon this year. Sadly, this beautiful Scottish town used to be synonymous with an appalling massacre of schoolchildren by a crazed gunman in 1996.

If we had tighter guns laws, people like Thomas Hamilton and Derrick Bird would not have had access to lethal weapons. This time last year I was heavily criticised by supporters of the gun lobby for speaking out against the inadequate licensing around legally held firearms. Yet the latest facts and figures produced by the Gun Control Network show precisely why I was right to raise my concerns.

The facts continue to speak for themselves on this important issue. Like the fact that of the 43 female gun deaths in the last five years, at least half of the weapons used were legally owned.

Or the fact that in a three-month period this year, no fewer than nine people were killed following incidents involved licensed guns.

The statistics are one thing, but it’s when you start to look at the stories behind the figures that you really get to grips with the situation.

Like the real story of the husband and wife found dead in Northamptonshire in what police believed to be a murder suicide. The 77-year-old woman had four shotgun wounds to her body and her husband, a year older, a single shotgun injury to his head.

The weapon was legally held, with the man said to have been a keen pheasant shooter.

Or the 22-year-old farmer from Scotland, a licensed gun holder, killed from an injury sustained while out hunting at night.

More sinister still was the killing of a 24-year-old man from Sheffield. He died from injuries sustained following an incident involving a legally held air rifle.

The list goes on but the issue remains the same. In all of these cases, the weapons that caused the injuries were not imported by hardened criminals but legitimately owned and licensed for use.

Some of the arguments deployed by the gun lobby against tighter controls are either clutching at straws or bordering on ridiculous. Like the suggestion that it’s legal to own an axe or a hammer, and these can also be used for killing people.

What a ludicrous argument. The significant difference being items such as those are legitimately and primarily used for other purposes, whereas a gun is specifically designed to shoot at things.

The other argument that is often trotted out against restricting gun ownership is that Olympians have demonstrated great skill in winning medals for their countries.

Yet the people making these points fail to grasp that being a skilled marksmen doesn’t necessarily mean you have to take the gun home with you. I fancy I might be quite good at rock climbing, but I don’t need a cliff in my back yard to prove it.

The licensing of guns needs to be sorted out. With every Gun Control Network release there are more alarming figures and more tragic stories to go with them.

Andy Murray’s success has helped Dunblane to move on. A ban on the private storage of firearms, annual mental health checks on firearms certificate holders and a public register of individuals with access to guns would make the nation safer.

35 comments:

  1. What good is tighter gun control if the police don't enforce the laws? Despite the fact the police knew Thomas Hamilton was unfit to hold a license they let him own his firearms anyway. Attacking the hundreds of thousands people who enjoy shooting in this country for a false sense of security is not the answer and will only prevent the law abiding shooters from enjoying our sport.

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  2. "With every Gun Control Network release there are more alarming figures" Well, yes. The GCN are completely anti-gun. Their 'facts' and the way they present them aren't objective in any way.

    The numbers of gun deaths the GCN quote include suicide. Whilst tragic, these aren't directly any threat to public safety.

    People like Derrick Bird and Thomas Hamilton should have never held firearms licences. The principle failing was the police from their local authorities failing to enforce current legislation.

    There are isolated incidents where a licensed firearms holder has committed murder, but unless it was a mass / spree killing, it's highly unlikely that the absence of a gun would have prevented any death. The vast majority of domestic violence and murders are committed using readily available objects - knives, hammers or their bare hands. We need to deal with that element of society, whatever they choose to arm themselves with.

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  3. Well if Derrick Bird and Thomas Hamilton had been subject to the restrictions I'm advocating they would not have been able to commit those atrocities.

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    1. Chris, what we need is a clear, robust way of preventing anyone with a history or indication of violence, abuse or mental health issues from having any access to firearms. For the most part, we have that. But I'd support any improvement we can make in that area.

      Using our current system, there were sufficient reasons to refuse / revoke both licences in those cases. It's important to ask why the police didn't fulfil their responsibility to the public in those cases.

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    2. Chris there is no way you can prove that.

      It is a fact that Hamilton had a gun off ticket (as others said why he was allowed an FAC is a wonder in the first place) so this would suggest he had access to an illegal source of firearms.

      Derrick Bird if unable to use firearms might have jumped in his taxi and ran people down instead.

      The fact of the matter is the UK never seen any of these mass shootings when you could just go into a shop and buy a gun or indeed carry one on your person.

      This would suggest that it isn't firearms that are the problem.

      With regards to violent crime the British public has been disarmed and cannot carry so much as a can of pepper spray or a baton for self defence(unless of course our Bill of Rights is still valid, maybe you could answer that for me?)


      Look at these issues why is no one saying disarming the public hasn't made people safer, in fact it corresponds with increasing violence. Perhaps we need to allow law abiding people arms again and that will deter criminals and spree killers who know they won't have a town full of easy targets.

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    3. The evidence Is Clear: Licensed Target Shooters and Hunters being able to own guns, and keeping them at home, is not a danger to the public as long as the police enforce this correctly. You must have realised this by now. Sadly I draw the conclusion that you are deliberately lying about the dangers of this, so you can scare the general public into supporting your pointless, liberty-restricting measures.
      You have failed to Uphold The British People's common Law Right to Bear Arms appropriate to their position and as allowed By Law.

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  4. I'm not attacking "people who enjoy shooting" although I want to see shooting at live target outlawed.

    For the others who indulge in shooting, I would urge them to back my proposals because that would clean up the image of the industry and make a massive contribution to public safety..

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    1. I support any reasonable step that improves public safety. I don't think a public register would achieve that - quite the opposite, in fact.

      An annual mental health check may be worth considering. I believe it's important that the police are able to keep reasonably up-to-date with the conduct and mental health of a licence holder. Perhaps occasional (random?) check-ups and inspections, not just focusing on mental health, could be scheduled over the lifetime of the period of the licence.

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  5. "although I want to see shooting at live target outlawed."

    Why?

    Do you think it's a good idea to let pest species breed in an uncontrolled manner ( there aren't enough paid pest controllers, so that idea can be kicked into touch before you mention it ), do you like the idea of deer breeding so much that the majority end up starving to death due to lack of food to support their population? Or do you simply think that 'killing animals is wrong', regardless of the fact that most hunters consume their quarry ( where safe to do so ) and waste as little as possible? Your view point is short sighted & naive, just like most 'antis' who are not familiar enough with the sport to have an informed opinion.

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  7. In response to Michael - I like the idea of random checks as well taking account pf other factors that may make someone unfit to hold a license. In terms of the register, I believe this would help to supplement the safeguards provided by a annual and random checks.

    In response to Sean - I'd say large quantities are not consumed. I would accept your point if there is a particular problem that can't be addressed in other ways. But that is different to the organised shoots that have nothing to do with killing for food and everything to do with killing for fun.

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    1. I'd be very concerned about who was able to access such a register. For the general public, I can't see any legitimate or positive reason. It could be argued that your GP and certain healthcare professional could use the information to alert the police of any condition or behaviour that the police need to be aware of. Other than that, what do you have in mind?

      As for shooting game / vermin, that's a very separate issue. I'd suggest that topic isn't muddied with questions over who can access firearms.

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  8. Mr Williamson

    You clearly know very little about the current situation with licensing in this country, the Police can already inspect a license holders firearms. First of all depending where you live the Police enforce the law to different standards. Might I suggest that you lobby to get that situation correct and working consistently before you try to change it. This change alone would account for the vast majority of incidence involving legally held firearms.

    Also you accretion that owning a hammer or axe is vastly different owning a Firearm. “Like the suggestion that it’s legal to own an axe or a hammer, and these can also be used for killing people.

    What a ludicrous argument. The significant difference being items such as those are legitimately and primarily used for other purposes, whereas a gun is specifically designed to shoot at things.”

    Well my hammer is used and designed to hit things – I decide what to hit. The same is true of a Firearm it is designed to shoot at something the person aiming it makes the decision at what. So please tell me how that is any different?

    A public register is a recipe for disaster why should my neighbours be able to know if I hold a Firearms licence or not. This information could be used to assist in false aqusations of threatening behaviour or crime?

    As for the shooting of live targets this is an integral part of managing the countryside, even the League Against Cruel Sports and the RSPB have used this method. Also you assumption is wrong about the amounts consumed, given that game meat sales in supermarkets are increasing and now that there is no requirement to hold a Game Dealers License shooters are able to give the food to who ever they want.

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  9. Just because I am a legal gun owner you automatically assume that I will be a mass murderer - thanks very much! You obviously have no idea about law abiding gun owners and how they behave, perhaps you should actually visit a shooting range and see what really goes on. I have no wish to cause anyone any harm whatsoever, therefore why should I be restricted in carrying out my hobby. I don’t particularly like cyclists (I wonder how many people are injured/killed partaking in that sport), but I wouldn't dream of telling them not to enjoy their hobby.

    Yes tragic events have happened, but I wonder if they would have happened anyway but just using a different tool, some examples;

    School knife attack in China
    Murder with a fire extinguisher
    Murder with a rolling pin
    Suicide by overdose

    Unfortunately if people want to cause harm to others or themselves they will find a way to do so. Banning guns will make no difference whatsoever.

    Existing laws cover the misuse of weapons - simple, we don’t need any more laws. I don’t understand your issue with regard to keeping firearms at home. Cleaning and maintenance of them is required. Many people reload ammunition to reduce cost and fine tune performance. It is utterly ridiculous to suggest that because someone keeps firearms at home they are more likely to commit crime. There are rules regarding to storing of firearms and who is permitted access to them. The Police check storage facilities. The Police have the ability to revoke licenses and confiscate firearms.

    If as you suggest annual mental health assessments are required, perhaps we should also include drivers having an annual test, this would surely reduce the number of accidents and have a much larger saving of life than any gun control measures?

    I do not understand why some people believe we will suddenly live in a Utopia if guns are banned. Criminals will still have them regardless of any increased restrictions. Some studies have shown that actually increasing the availability of firearms to law abiding people reduces the level of crime. If you compare crime statistics of countries with more lenient firearms control to those of the UK, in the majority of cases you find the UK has significantly higher crime rates. Clearly then it is not access to guns that causes the issue.

    The UK government has chipped away at the rights of individuals to defend themselves. We used to have a Bill of Rights that gave us a right to defend ourselves. Thanks to overzealous government seeking further control of the population those rights have been eroded.

    Leave the law abiding people alone and get after the criminals who by their very nature disobey the law. I believe the BBC recently reported that 10,000 violent crimes went unpunished - why!

    As for the utter lies that the GCN spout forth - well anyone with any common sense can see through them.

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  10. You want to cut police spending and the smaller departments take the brunt of these cuts. Licensing authorities are not able to carry our their job quickly or effectively because they are understaffed. The shooting community makes up some of the most law abiding people in the country and you advocate penalizing hundreds of thousands of license holders who obey the law every day because of the actions of individuals who were unfit to own firearms in the first place. The blame lies not at the feet of the shooting community, shooting sports, or gun. The blame lies at the feet of the licensing authorities who failed to follow current guidelines, with tradgic consequences. The Gun Control Network are experts of propaganda and horrible bias that unfortunately you seem to have fallen afoul of.

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  11. As an MP with the power to vote on sending me to war to kill humans, not just harvest animal crops, I am assuming that you will also be subjecting to yourself to annual mental health reviews, allowing all your private correspondence to be read and taking a lie detector test regarding your animal rights activities so that we can be sure you have never broken the law.

    I also assume you have asked Andy Murray for his permission to use his name to justify your agenda?

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  12. "Yet the people making these points fail to grasp that being a skilled marksmen doesn’t necessarily mean you have to take the gun home with you."
    Your quote above, okay you spend £2,000:00 on a gun you use it, it is locked in an armoury some place and you can not get back to it for a week or two. the reality is after use you clean it, the day after that you clean it again and the day after that too.
    You see the metal sweats out after the extreme pressures during use, you need to take keep your gun with you, to keep it in service.
    I as a farmer need access to a gun in an instant to kill foxes, vermin,
    In the uK now as a farmer who rears animals for meat, with a high welfare issue, I can not kill an animal in the most humane way, yet muslims can insist on Halal meat, this is a disgrace.

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  13. In response to Matthew I stand by my assertion that there is a huge difference between a gun and a hammer. You say that a "hammer is used and designed to hit things – [you] decide what to hit” The difference is you have to get up close to someone to injure them with a hammer whereas a gun can be and is used to injure and kill people from a distance.

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  14. Gaz, have you ever heard of Anne Pearston again since Dunblain? seems to have gone off the Face of the Earth, makes us think she was a made up person only brought out for the Labour party conference and a few Tv appearances, you know anything?

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  15. To the anonymous correspondent above I would say that MPs are heavily scrutinised

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  16. You really are clutching at straws there as that makes little difference to the act of killing, both require a human to want to do it! But if want to play spot the difference a hammer is more easily concealed the a gun. I suppose by your logic then you would also want people who have achary bows to have them stored centrally and undergo the same background checks as well.

    Fact that you need to quote the GCN (a network of 4 people) just shows how desperate you are to make a few political points. The GCN should not be trusted source of information as they hype up what are very small figures. According to Police figures firearms murders account for 0.8% of all firearms offences and 47
    % of all firearms offences are connoted using known illegal firearms (2010/11 figures)

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  17. http://rare.us/story/graphic-fewer-guns-more-killings/
    Something to get into, more guns = less killings.

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  18. Interesting assertion by one of your commenters that the shooting community are amongst the most law-abiding citizens, some examples might be

    - 45% of respondents to a BASC survey admitted breaking the law in relation to the use of lead-shot.
    - Hen Harriers are almost absent as a breeding species in England following a sustained campaign of illegal persecution by elements of the shooting community.
    - shoots have regularly avoided taxation by rewarding beaters with shot Pheasants as opposed to paying them, as mentioned in the comments above.

    I'm not in a position to comment on whether current gun ownership laws are appropriate and just not being enforced or whether they need to be strengthened but it is obvious that there is a significant element within shooting that are not fit to have guns and are not 'law-abiding' - something needs to change to resolve this.

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    1. Bad law deserves to be fought against, ie lead shot, use lead shot as it is the best, using inferior leads to wounded animals / birds.
      Law abiding means more law abiding than most of the country.
      Did you know that when we could Pistol shoot in this country pistol shooters paid the least insurance premiums of any people in the country, because we were considered the least risk of all.

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    2. "it is obvious that there is a significant element within shooting that are not fit to have guns and are not 'law-abiding' - something needs to change to resolve this"

      It is not "obvious" at all. It is a highly prejudiced remark, justified on the back of one poll. You may also not be aware that it is illegal to use lead shot only in specific circumstances as set out in The Environmental Protection (Restriction on Use of Lead Shot) (England)
      Regulations 1999. Otherwise it is quite lawful to use lead shot.

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  19. You make some interesting and pertinent observations Alan

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  20. Trust Williamson to only notice the few points against shooters! Fact a gun license is far easier to loose then it is to obtain. Gun owners in this country are more law abiding then any other group by far, the fact that we hold our licenses is proof of that.

    Does Alan know how many beaters have been done for tax evasion? Also where is the reference that shot game are used as payment? When u work it out for R+C to claim tax off beaters is not economical as the income is small compared to the allowable expenses, but we can claim our rebates if that makes you feel better Alan? Also Alan if you wish to set the bar for loosing your gun license to use lead shot on water foul and tax evasion. I take it that you would also support people loosing their driving licenses for similar levels of offences?! As both relate to items that have the potential to kill.

    As usual Mr Williamsons plans do nothing to protect the people of Derby from illegal guns and gun related violance. Instead he would rather go after those that use their guns for legal purposes such as vermin control, game and target shooting activites to which he is personally opposed to.

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    1. The law-abiding are the only people that the government can do anything about. I wonder exactly what he intends to do about all the illegal guns on the streets ?

      My guess - nothing !!!!

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  21. As a firearms certificate holder, the idea of a publicly accessible register of licensed gun owners is just about the daftest and most irresponsible thing I have ever heard any MP come out with. With such a register, you tell all the bad guys where the guns are. How dare you put my personal safety in jeopardy with your ill-thought out proposals.

    I suppose it is the sort of thing we should expect from Labour, with its well established contempt for the privacy of the British people, with its unlamented ID Cards system in the rubbish bin of history.

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  22. "Yet the people making these points fail to grasp that being a skilled marksmen doesn’t necessarily mean you have to take the gun home with you"

    Guns aren't just used on target ranges, you know. They are used in fields, on moors and fells. Any central storage of firearms would have to be open 24x7. But even if that were done, it would not affect the rate of misuse of legal firearms in the slightest. For example, Derrick Bird (the taxi driver who killed several people with a shotgun) would have gone to the central store, checked out his gun and ammunition to go "rabbiting" as he had done hundreds of times before without incident. But instead of going rabbiting he would go on a massacre instead.

    I note that it was Squires of the Gun Control Network, who proposed the central storage of guns after Cumbria. Squires is a man whose knowledge of shooting and shooting sports could comfortably be fitted onto the back of a postage stamp.

    "The licensing of guns needs to be sorted out"

    What about turning your attention to illegal guns for a change?

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  24. Yet again we see an authoritarian government body trying to enforce yet more bogus laws. I am sick and tired of being labelled a criminal just because I enjoy the sport of shooting. When will you politicians please wake up and realise that this is a democracy one in which we are supposedly free people, so can you answer why myself and people like me can never seem to be left alone to enjoy what's left of our sport without being bothered by governments and the police? I have spent time with family who live in the states and have used god forbid AK 47 riffles as well as handguns does that make me dangerous? or crazy because I enjoy shooting these weapons? the answer is no and I take great offence that I am to be labelled a criminal who can't be trusted, I assure you I'm big enough and ugly enough to be able to make important decisions on whether I want to buy, own, use and keep guns! It should not be for the government to decide. If a gun owner breaks the law then he should be dealt with by the courts not crucify all gun owners.

    I'm all for co operation with the police but that in no way gives you the right to take my guns away or say I can't keep my property at home. It's time for you to realise that the gun laws that have been placed on us are indeed bogus, the handgun ban hasn't worked they are still used in crimes all it does is stop law abiding people like me from owning them, that in itself is neither fair or a good example of a free country. I feel increasingly alienated by this country over this subject and I don't see it fair that I should be forced to take my guns and leave this country in order to enjoy the sport in which I grew up participating in after being taught by my father in how to treat these weapons with respect and use responsibly. Enough is enough now, please concentrate on more pressing matters and leave us alone.

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  25. Chris,

    Would it fair to say that you would rather a young woman be raped and battered to death rather than have a gun to protect herself ?

    Would it also be fair to say that you support the right to self defence against armed, violent criminals, but only if the victim uses his or her bare hands against someone carrying a gun or knife ?

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  26. Here's an idea Chris, why not put more effort into getting illegal guns of the streets instead of always persecuting the law-abiding simply because it's easier ? I should be able to own a gun and use it for target practice, self-defence or any other lawful reason.

    This idea of "collective punishment" where the whole of society gets punished because of the actions of one person is unjust and grossly unfair, If someone uses a gun to commit a crime, then that person (and only that person) should be punished.

    It seems to me that because Micheal Ryan and Thomas Hamilton committed suicide they (obviously) cannot be punished. So the government's solution is to punish everyone else. Does that seem fair to you ?

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  27. Make cars harder (a person who wants a car should get his/her blood checked up to 5 times/month for 8-12 months, her/his driving should be tested in car simulator at night and day for 3-7 hours/day for two weeks) to buy by anyone because there is many drunk drivers on the roads. Ban knives, cars, fists, feet and hammers, they are not made to kill people or any other creature! Guess what? Yes, people use all this to kill each other!!!!

    Guns don't kill. I tested it, trust me. I loaded my shotgun and placed it on the table. After one hour of waiting nothing happened so I asked it to point itself at me. No answer, no movement, nothing! I was disappointed, didn't know what to do. After 3 hours i realised that my shotgun is just an object, a tool. So many people say that guns kill... Could you please explain to me why my shotgun didn't kill me?

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